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ravensong · Aug 28, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

I agree with all written in first post!

/signed

Alimar · Aug 28, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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I agree with all of it. The armor should show the armor you have. Not just a piece of it. Also I think it would be good for any type of armor to go up. A lot of people don't play as much as others. So how are they supposed to get 15k armor?

I want to display my PVE titles too.

It should be account based, also titles.

It should also have a statue of your character. For that achievement you should of finished all 3 campaigns.(for the monument of devotion)

For the Monument of Valor, I really want to put my other weapons there. I don't want it to be restricted. I cant put my chaos axes and storm bows, etc. because they aren't red weapons. That really frustrates me.

There are also many other opinions that I have. Just ask me on my Profile.

LifeInfusion · Aug 28, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

1. Account Based
Anyone who bought extra slots to PLAY with (not use as storage) got a big slap in the face.
Anyone who got LDOA/Legendary Survivor on a second character since their first character could not, got a slap in the face.
Anyone who did not do Treasure Hunter/Wisdom/Sweet Tooth/Drunkard on their primary character (for lore reasons or otherwise), got a slap in the face.

See where I'm going with this?

My thinking is that the Hall itself should be character based in terms of denoting which character did it, but account based in the sense that all achievements should be shown (sort of like PVP unlocks).

Some people have a family trophy case, I don't see why Hall of Monuments couldn't be like that.

As for rewards in GW2, it is undeniable you inherit stuff from all portions of your family. Maybe your grandfather gave you a _______, your godmother gave you a _________, your grandmother gave you a _________, your uncle gave you a ______________.

2. Monument of Devotion
I keep all my minis in storage, since I don't see putting them on one character. I know that you can show them in explorable zones too, but most times people/players that are half decent care more about the mob beating on their face than the minis running around.

Customization means that you can just use it on one character. What happens when I switch characters? It probably should be account-based customization and account-based rewards for GW2.

3. The Monument of Honor
I can see why Rank 9 is needed for PvP titles, as rewards in GW2 most likely require high ranks. But why reward only the most hardcore?

Personally I think they should just use the emotes for Rank, as the monument trinket on the stand. That way it rewards all ranks >3.

Champion should be acknowledged regardless of rank, however.

PVE should get acknowledgments for everything as well.

4. The Monument of Valor
Should display whatever player has that is customized and rare. Don't know about greens, seeing as how there are numerous copies of them. Perhaps endgame greens (like the ones you get from Nightfall/Factions)?
I don't see any reason for >4 spaces given that you can only use 4 weapon slots.

5. The Monument of Resilience
100% needs to display what armor you actually have.
Needs to support mixes :/ (Granted my ele uses a full set but my other characters don't)

6. Accessibility to HoM
"Go to Hall of Monuments" should be a button in the Titles tab, IMO.

7. Monument of Fellowship
Should show the actual pets and hero armor. (Why bother upgrading armor with Primeval if you show the normal armor anyway?)
Account based is the way to go for the requirement of level 20 pets, by all means.

AFTERWORD
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All in all, we have to keep in mind the storage capacity of Arenanet's servers will be taxed by the amount of things recorded (unless they are polled by the server from things like Titles).

Then you also have to keep in mind the space on the relatively small stands.

Rhys · Aug 28, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

/signed

I don't think I have anything more to add to what was previously mentioned.

onilosmada · Aug 28, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Very disapointed with the current HoM.. account based would be great. Couldn't have laid out the complaints any better then the top post. Please make the changes before the official release this friday.

Luminarus · Aug 28, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

I havent voted because i Disagree with all of the options given.

Minipets - All Non-White minipets should be displayable and it should be a minipet storage. Therefore u cant borrow it to get everyone, and u can still trade them amongst ur characters/other people if u want/
Heroes - Fine as is... upgraded armor is understandable. Y you would want to display a hero u got for no effort is beyond me
Pets - Any displayed as long as lvl 20
Armor - What you have on should be displayed. Not to sure about how to fix mixed sets as its to difficult. Still ascended only, no 1k armors should be displayable.
Weapons - Any MAX gold weapon.
Titles - Any MAXED Title and for pvp titles work out a reasonable level. AKA no 60% explorer as that stupid and easy to get... therefore not monument worthy

Thats the way

Sir Green Aluminum · Aug 28, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07

/signed
Finally, a guru moderator that requests change in the form of a post instead of delete/closing threads he does'nt agree with.

Also, anyone else find it funny that there hasn't been a post by a Anet employ or community manager during/after the preview week reguarding Eye of the North? Or did I not look hard enough?

Bond Killuall · Aug 28, 2007, 02:17 AM // 02:17

/SINGED i agree with EVERYTHING u basically read my mind u amaze me silly ^^

Silly Warrior · Aug 28, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Bond Killuall

/SINGED i agree with EVERYTHING u basically read my mind u amaze me silly ^^

Lol, thanks man.

Also, I may be making changes to the area that holds Heros. It seems that few people (including myself) agree that having to upgrade your heros to even display them is beyond lame.

I may just add it ^_^

-Silly

Jaythen Tyradel · Aug 28, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

/signed

Current Flaws in Hall of Monuments:

1. Account Based
I can see some reasons why character based might be more practical, but I do agree that if it it can be account based it will save some headache if not time for players.

2. Monument of Devotion
I like the idea Silly had with the mini pets be customized for the account. Again, saves the player some headache, time to find to buy mini pet, and more importantly time saved not trying to get the gold to buy the minipet they are looking for currently.

3. The Monument of Honor
I am waiting till the full Game is released before I pass judgment on this factor. I will say that if this stays this way, it will discourage many PVE players from trying to obtain titles. In turn, less players maxing out titles, less time for favor. Just over the weekend, primarily due to many people trying out the GWEN preview, favor time crashed from its high around 2000 minutes to about 600 minutes (last I remember on Sunday).
Also, in turn, no reason to bother maxing out PVE titles may mean more people putting not playing the game to play something else.

4. The Monument of Valor
still waiting to see this one in action from some ingame SS to gain a better idea.
Neutral on this monument.

5. The Monument of Resilience

Quote:

- "This monument displays ascended armors for your character...well not really. It displays the area of which you got the armor, and the type of armor it is, and then displays a sample of what the armor looks like on two random classes."

I agree that showing our Characters armor is more personal to our achievement, but if it isn't changed, this is one area that wont bother me.
Again, neutral on this idea.

6. Accessibility to HoM
Not needed, IMO, but I like the idea Silly has to have a shortcut key to get to HoM.

7.Upgrades in HoM
Not needed, IMO. Yet again, cant say that it will hurt to have it. Option to make it more like a mini guildhall for yourself could be a nice goldsink.

Jaythen Tyradel · Aug 28, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

Lol, thanks man.

Also, I may be making changes to the area that holds Heros. It seems that few people (including myself) agree that having to upgrade your heros to even display them is beyond lame.

I may just add it ^_^

-Silly

I don't think having them upgraded in order to have them displayed it lame. However, the drop rate and difficulty of obtaining the upgrade pieces for hero armor is lame. It shouldn't be easy, but yet neither should someone have to buy or use multiple characters to get enough armor drops in order to upgrade all their heros.
Increase the drop rate in the challenge missions (mainly Nightfall since we don't know how we will obtain hero armor upgrade items yet in GWEN) to make it more accessible.

Luminarus · Aug 28, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

Lol, thanks man.

Also, I may be making changes to the area that holds Heros. It seems that few people (including myself) agree that having to upgrade your heros to even display them is beyond lame.

I may just add it ^_^

-Silly

How is it lame??? Do you think you should get a title/monument for killing a mob of stone summit in a mission in the shiverpeaks??? No. Why... because it just happens. However, if u do something more difficult such as vanquishing an area, which involves going out of ur way, then you do deserve it.

Same thing with heroes. U get them by playing the game, the quests for them are really easy, and take bout 3 minutes each, bar razah. Should u get a title for monument??? NO.

However, if u go out of your way to upgrade ur heroes so that they are elite, or better then the majority of basic heroes out there then yes they deserve recognition. Frankly I cant see how anyone would believe any different.

Shadowspawn X · Aug 28, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

Lol, thanks man.

Also, I may be making changes to the area that holds Heros. It seems that few people (including myself) agree that having to upgrade your heros to even display them is beyond lame.

I may just add it ^_^

-Silly

I have to dispute this, the heroes display ( Monument of Fellowship )is a reward for doing the challenge missions getting the armors for all your heroes unlocked is an accomplishment. I'm sorry, but logging in and having Koss instantly follow you around is not an accomplishment. Lets keep it real please.

Komradkyle · Aug 28, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

/signed

Yes I was very angry when i saw that only max pvp titles show up in the honor one. I don't want a representation of my armor I want my actual armor to be shown. I also want mini pets to show up gold,green, and purple and not just white. I would like all weapons to show up. I would like to have more sets shown up in rows rather then just 4 armor sets. I would like a shortcut to hall on the H panel. I would like to select the arrangement of items rather then just click the random arrange. And for god sakes let me show my Pve titles that i spent 4000 hours on.

Luminarus · Aug 28, 2007, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Want a coffee with that???

The Warmonger · Aug 28, 2007, 03:48 AM // 03:48

/Signed also.

All I unlocked in the HoM was the Heroes, only to find you could only display ones that have upgraded armor. Which is to say none of mine on all 10 characters. Way too much effort/money just to change the look of the heroes.

After that, I figured why bother with any of the rest?

arcanemacabre · Aug 28, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

How is it lame??? Do you think you should get a title/monument for killing a mob of stone summit in a mission in the shiverpeaks??? No. Why... because it just happens. However, if u do something more difficult such as vanquishing an area, which involves going out of ur way, then you do deserve it.

Same thing with heroes. U get them by playing the game, the quests for them are really easy, and take bout 3 minutes each, bar razah. Should u get a title for monument??? NO.

However, if u go out of your way to upgrade ur heroes so that they are elite, or better then the majority of basic heroes out there then yes they deserve recognition. Frankly I cant see how anyone would believe any different.

Umm, you get a monument that exclaims all the campaigns you've beaten. You get that by "playing the game." What's wrong with that? That is still effort, even if it is, by your standards, not enough effort.

Besides, have you even seen what is involved to get armor upgrades for the heroes? It's not exactly rocket science. The only issue with it is they become insanely rare drops after the first few. Otherwise, the missions are stupid easy. It takes much more "effort" to just run through the game and get all the heroes.

Hell, I'd say make the only requirement for displaying heroes needing to own a "complete set" for each chapter - so: Olias in Proph, Zenmai in Cantha, the gang in Nightfall, and the new gang in GWEN. That takes more "effort," and doesn't involve unnecessary grinding. That's my vote.

Luminarus · Aug 28, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

You actually have to bother to finish the campaigns and it takes decent time. I know people who have a total of 2 or 3 that have finished each campaign. Finishing is relatively difficult. On the other hand, getting the heroes you get on the way requires 0 effort.

Wowza... u actually have to OMG work a little bit to get them displayed. OMG UNBELIEVABLE. Ever looked at the price of the hero armors are??? between 5-10k each. Now, if u want to display your heroes reach into your pocket and get out 10k and go buy one. If your heroes arent worth that much to you, why do you even want to go display them???

arcanemacabre · Aug 28, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Wowza... u actually have to OMG work a little bit to get them displayed. OMG UNBELIEVABLE. Ever looked at the price of the hero armors are??? between 5-10k each. Now, if u want to display your heroes reach into your pocket and get out 10k and go buy one. If your heroes arent worth that much to you, why do you even want to go display them???

I think you're missing my point. How is 5-10k, or c+spacing through easy challenge missions until you get a drop any more complicated than doing the short quests to get the heroes in the first place? Just an unnecessary second step, unless you really like the alternate armors.

Personally, I have several characters with heroes that have upgraded armor, in some cases two extra sets - but only because I like the look of them. Those I don't have extra armor on, I don't like.

I just don't see what that extra requirement means. It's goofy. So, I picked up Master of Whispers along the way, but I can't "prove" he was ever a hero of mine because I never bothered to get him some new threads? I guess all the runes, insignias, and gear I got him wasn't enough. Alright, let's go back to the store...

For the record, I feel the same way about the armors, since I'm a fan of mixing and matching armors of various prices (price matters not to me, only the look of it), but I need "full sets" just to show I ever "earned" it. Though that one I can understand only because it's more of a collection, and it deals directly with your character. Having heroes already deals with your character, I just see no point in having to upgrade their armor, too.

Luminarus · Aug 28, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

I think you're missing my point. How is 5-10k, or c+spacing through easy challenge missions until you get a drop any more complicated than doing the short quests to get the heroes in the first place? Just an unnecessary second step, unless you really like the alternate armors

EXACTLY! It's UNNECESSARY. Hence why it makes heroes with upgraded armor in the HoM. If you got into the Hall of Monument for doing something easy with no effort, its not so much Hall of Monuments. Its a place to say hay look I actually bothered to log in a couple of times and look wat i picked up on the way. It is designed to show that you/youre character has accomplished stuff that is beyond wat is required to simply finish the game.

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Personally, I have several characters with heroes that have upgraded armor, in some cases two extra sets - but only because I like the look of them. Those I don't have extra armor on, I don't like.

Exactly... so why would u consider putting them in the HoM if u dont actually like them.